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In the News on March 31, 2008
By Eric Livingston ::
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Today's Washington Post contains an editorial placing responsibility for the failure or passage of the Colombian free trade agreement squarely at the feet of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and suggests she open a dialogue with President Bush to assure passage of the mutually beneficial agreement.
Sometime after Congress returns from Easter recess this week, President Bush is likely to present the Colombia Trade Promotion Agreement for the approval of the House and Senate. As we have said, the proposed pact is good policy for both Colombia and the United States. Colombia has long enjoyed periodically renewable tariff-free access to the U.S. market; the agreement would make that permanent. In exchange, U.S. producers would, for the first time, get the same tariff-free deal when they export to Colombia. Meanwhile, the agreement contains labor and environmental protections much like those that Congress has already approved in a U.S.-Peru trade pact. A vote for the Colombia deal would show Latin America that a staunch U.S. ally will be rewarded for improving its human rights record and resisting the anti-American populism of Venezuela's Hugo Chavez.
Sending the agreement to the House of Representatives without the prior approval of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) would be risky for the president; usually, the executive and legislative branches tee up such votes cooperatively. But months of Democratic resistance to the Colombia deal may have left Mr. Bush no choice. The agreement is being held hostage by members of the House (and Senate) who argue that Colombia -- despite a dramatic drop in its overall murder toll under the leadership of President Alvaro Uribe -- hasn't done enough to protect trade union activists or to punish past murders of labor leaders. It's a spurious complaint: Actually, in 2006, union members were slightly less likely than the average Colombian to be murdered. But the human rights issue has served as cover for many Democrats whose true objections are to free trade itself.
The leading Democratic presidential candidates have been promoting protectionist policies that protect their powerful labor constituencies. We hope Speaker Pelosi listens to reason and doesn't follow the same path.
The New York Post publishes an editorial regarding Senator Obama's plans to raise capital-gains taxes, saying it appreciated the Senator's attempts to "moderate" his tax increases; but that no increase at all would be a better plan.
Problem is, all taxes distort economic decision-making - and that's especially true of those on capital gains or profits made in the buying and selling of stock.
And while it's a slight comfort to see Obama moderate somewhat his tax-hiking proclivities - he'd previously suggested nearly doubling the rate, to 28 percent - his apparent desire to discourage investment in the middle of a sharp economic downturn is unnerving to say the least.
Which, make no mistake, is exactly what his tax hike would do.
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Aetius728 @
Monday, March 31, 2008 3:46 PM
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I know it fits your stereotype that I would not know what myopic, dogma, sociopath, and schema mean without looking them up, but I do.
What would make you think I don't support democracy? Do you really draw that conclusion? And as for the idea of exporting it to the Middle East, I remain skeptical, but short of installing strongmen in Iraq and Afghanistan, I don't see what choice we have now. I do not, however, believe it is impossible, and am quite heartened by the fact that 12 million Iraqis voted, and the government seems to be starting to get its act together.(It took far to long)
Yes, I object to "populism" when peoples heads are filled with nonsense by self serving politicians.
Now, when it comes to trade, you clearly live in la la land. I don't believe in protecting labor-I believe in fostering competition, which is good for the consumer and the economy as a whole. But who on earth are you talking about dying? That is utter nonsense! Trade is beneficial to all involved, their are mountains of statistics on this issue, and they all indicate that nations that engage in trade, no matter what level of development they are at, benefit from it. Why do you think heads of African nations, and other nations such as Malaysia continually push for more access to our markets?
Trade is good for the American economy as well. Remember the big flap about steel tariffs a few years ago?(and in the 80's?) We put tariffs on steel imports to 'protect the U.S. steel industry.' It sounded great on the news. What you did not hear was that now that American producers of other items that used steel had to buy steel at a higher price than the rest of the world, they were not able to compete. Therefore, they were forced to cut back and lay off workers. Those tariffs cost us more jobs than they saved, just not as visibly.
Consider this: free trade is a method of increasing economic efficiency. Products are manufactured where it is the most efficient for them to be. I live in Pennsylvania, and I very much enjoy orange juice. Most of the oranges in the juice that I enjoy are grown in Florida, which is far more efficient than trying to grow them here.(which would require greenhouses) I benefit from this arrangement, I have relatively inexpensive orange juice, and the growers in Florida benefit as well, they have a larger market to sell their product. Now suppose the governor of PA started whipping up a frenzy about the necessity of having oranges that are grown in PA, we don't want those blasted oranges from Florida! So PA puts a tariff on oranges from Florida. Who is hurt? Both of us. I have to pay a higher price for orange juice, and the growers in Florida have lost access to the PA market.
I find the extent of your delusions interesting, and the terrible characteristics that you can assign to me because I disagree with you a little frightening. Trade clearly is beneficial for all parties involved, yet you and many others routinely ignore the massive amounts of empirical data which back up this claim.
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keeeemosabe @
Monday, March 31, 2008 3:54 PM
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>>>>>>nonsense by self serving politicians.<<<<<<< Right, I love it when the righties on TV abd radio repeatedly say "they" (Dems) are self serving 'politicians. As if to imply that their Repugnicans aren't self serving politicans. Gotta love that little trick. Only fools swallow that one and parrot it.
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keeeemosabe @
Monday, March 31, 2008 4:17 PM
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Yawn. Another strawman argument, which is where you righties think you are really good. Nobody says all trade agreement must be bad. Those that are bad are the ones where nearly free child and prison labor is used to undercut labor costs.... Where a total disregard for pollution that affects a bigger area than the country it which it is generated thereby creates a subsidy by ignoring health hazards from pollution. So you understand: people should not be poisoned to generate profits for corporate importers and exporters...whic happens every day. And human rights violations should not be used to create a "subsidy" and ungfair playing fiel;d...suvh as where the maquiladors owned by US corporations require women to take the birth control pills they are required to take as a condition of employment. More bad trade agreements are generated by giving corporate welfare tax breaks that encourage job losses. Repugnicans have no conscience about that. It is so easy, is it not, to overlook moral issues such as these in your la la land, which only kneels at the alter of profits and cheap imports.
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Aetius728 @
Monday, March 31, 2008 4:36 PM
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I admit, I missed the point about people dying. But you as well missed a quote:
"It's a spurious complaint: Actually, in 2006, union members were slightly less likely than the average Colombian to be murdered."
The truth is that great progress has been made, and continues to be made. There is an opportunity here for an agreement that is beneficial to our economy and that of Columbia.
As for your other ranting, I desperately want to reply, but it was difficult to find even a concrete allegation or argument, it seemed to be just a jumbled mess of confused nonsense. But I think I found one.
You rail against cheap labor. It might behoove you here to actually look at some facts.(I know, these can be no fun!) Areas that use 'cheap labor' for manufacturing enjoy much higher rates of economic growth than those areas that remain totally undeveloped. And remeber, when these factories are built, nobody is rounding up workers and forcing them to work, they chose to do so. Now if life for them is worse than it was before, why don't they just quit?
I am not implying that life for these people is easy. I know from experience it is not.(I spent some time doing mission work in Sudan) But to believe that life for them would be better without trade is a delusion.
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keeeemosabe @
Monday, March 31, 2008 5:04 PM
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I didn't miss it. I just thought it was so transparently self-serving an argument that I thought anyone could see through it. I was wrong. It is the murdered labor leaders who are obviously targeted for murder to increase corporate profits thatis th real issue. See, decapitiate the leaders and so much less murder is necessary. Very prectical for the corporate point of view. See, righties don't see that bargaining of free will is a necessary, but unwelcome (by some) part of capitalism, at least if done by labor. It really is a symptom of bigotry toward labor. Bigotry that leads to murder. Murder for more profit. So there you go.
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Aetius728 @
Monday, March 31, 2008 8:32 PM
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Did you actually do research, or find some quotes that seemed to fit your world view and copy them?
If you actually examined the issue, you will note that their payments were not for profit, they had nothing to gain by the terroristic activities of the AUC, it was for protection. In a nutshell, their employees were being threatened by these thugs, and at the time, the government of Colombia was not capable of doing anything about it. You might also read that they also made payments to left wing organizations such as FARC.
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keeeemosabe @
Monday, March 31, 2008 11:14 PM
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Oh, yes od course you and your specious claims are accurate. Right. try this one, It also happens to matvh my world view: Headline: Coca-Cola Accused of Using Death Squads to Target Union Leaders by Garry Leech A lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Florida accuses the Coca-Cola Company, its Colombian subsidiary and business affiliates of using paramilitary death squads to murder, torture, kidnap and threaten union leaders at the multinational soft drink manufacturer's Colombian bottling plants. The suit was filed on July 20 by the United Steelworkers of America and the International Labor Rights Fund on behalf of SINALTRAINAL, the Colombian union that represents workers at Coca-Cola's Colombian bottling plants; the estate of a murdered union leader; and five other unionists who worked for Coca-Cola and were threatened, kidnapped or tortured by paramilitaries. Colombia has long been the most dangerous country in the world for trade unionists with almost 4,000 murdered in the past 15 years. Last year saw 128 labor leaders assassinated. Most of the killings have been attributed to right-wing paramilitaries belonging to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC), who view union organizers as subversives and, therefore, "legitimate" targets in their dirty war against Colombia's guerrilla insurgents. Three out of every five trade unionists killed in the world are Colombian. The most recent killing of a union leader at one of Coca-Cola's Colombian bottling plants was June 21 when Oscar Dario Soto Polo was gunned down. Needless to say, companies in Colombia benefit from the reduced effectiveness of union organizing that results from the intimidation of workers by paramilitaries. But the complaint filed against Coca-Cola last week claims that the company does more than just benefit from paramilitary violence: it claims the company orchestrates it.
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keeeemosabe @
Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:56 AM
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alcav: If you call objections to murder for profits, and presidential lying to enter extra, bonus, porkbarrel war...if you want to call that whining, I'll pray for your empty eggshell of a soul. (Are you on Prozac?) The real whining I see around here comes fron the F.W.org bloggers who constantly complain that their hero W can't have every last detail of gov't go his way and collapse. They strive to be seen as victimized by the left.
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Aetius728 @
Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:59 PM
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Thats interesting. I will point out a word that appears twice in the last paragraph of your post-"claims."
Regardless, perhaps this is true. It may come as a surprise, but I, like many who advocate capitalism, and even the father of capitalism himself, Adam Smith, have no illusions regarding businessmen. We realize that they, like all people, are not uniformly good people.(and often not capitalists themselves, preferring to use the power of government to inhibit competition)
Lets say this story is true. It could simply have been local plant managers engaging in this activity, or it could go higher up the chain. We don't know from this.(I would be interested in any follow up material if you have it)
Another thing to keep in mind, we are dealing with a country that until recently was overran with rightwing and leftwing extremists. To assume that the unions here were completely innocent victims is to ignore a very real possibility that they were in league with left wing terror organizations such as FARC.(even in this country some union members occasionally engage in thuggery. My father, as a non-union bricklayer has been the object of verbal assaults, as well as several acts of vandalism because he dares work at a lower price than the unions, and do a quicker and higher quality job to boot. Guess whose business is thriving and whose is not?)
This one example, while fascinating, does not prove your point. If your worldview that corporations are evil and the rood of all the worlds problems is based on examples such as this, that are extremely rare(considering how many businesses exist in the world) then you don't have a very strong foundation.
If this is true, those involved should be punished. But to extrapolate from this that all those who support a free trade agreement with Colombia due so at the behest of big businessmen who routinely engage in violence is foolish, as it is to deny the economic benefits of free trade.
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Aetius728 @
Monday, March 31, 2008 5:59 PM
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The murdered labor leaders were targeted by drug cartels and other rightwing paramilitary groups. Columbia is also home to gratuitously violent left wing paramilitary groups. President Uribe has made great progress in combating both.
Where do you get this murder for profit nonsense? Corporations had nothing to do with this. In fact, business men are occasionally kidnapped by leftist guerrillas.(not so much anymore)
I am not "rooting for US jobs to go overseas and out of country." I am rooting for sound economic policies. How about arguing on that level? Try to refute my previous arguments?
Do you think that the United States is capable of creating every good and service that we consume in a year? It is simply not possible. Trade is a necessity.Setting up trade barriers will only make life worse. Imagine how much more expensive the computer that you are staring at this very second would be.
I would like to see more manufactured in America. But I don't want that to be a result of protectionism. I want America to be more competitive. That means lowering the corporate tax rate, lowering or eliminating the capital gains tax, and improving our education system.
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keeeemosabe @
Monday, March 31, 2008 6:11 PM
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No US corporation involved with murder fro profit, you say? Funny Here is an article from the ultraleft wing USA Today: ".... A major U.S. corporation stood accused of routinely funneling large sums of money to a vicious right-wing Latin American militia that the United States government officially had branded a terrorist organization. But then the corporation involved, Chiquita Brands International (CQB) , admitted it had paid $1.7 million to a Colombian paramilitary unit known as "Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia" (AUC) over a six-year period ending in 2004. Suddenly, an episode that had seemed like rabid conspiracy-mongering was recast as unsavory corporate misdeed.
Last month, a U.S. District Court judge formally accepted a settlement of the charges between the Cincinnati-based company and the Justice Department. After pleading guilty to a felony, Chiquita was fined $25 million and required to institute an ethics program to prevent future violations. The company said that it made more than 100 payments to the paramilitaries......"
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alcav54 @
Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:02 AM
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You know what I really love. It's when communists get there panties all in a Knot over such things as taxes, unions, and the war. No matter what you think, libs have ALWAYS been on the wrong side of the issues. Stop the whining. Remember, better to be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job!
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keeeemosabe @
Monday, March 31, 2008 12:26 PM
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So you object to "populism". I guess you don't really support democracy (which you think you can export to th mideast). Perhaps you like elitist rulers who don't care what their population thinks...like Bush, Cheney, .. Saddam, etc?
And you think trade is more important then any protection of labor and especially labor leaders? So in your myopic (look it up) immoral selfish world view, money is more important than lives, especially if those dying don't share your dogma (look it up). Thank you for your honesty. It's really scary how sociopathic (look it up) the righty schema (look it up) is.
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keeeemosabe @
Monday, March 31, 2008 12:44 PM
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>>>>>>>>>Problem is, all taxes distort economic decision-making <<<<<<<<<< So you have a problem with all taxes. That's such a nice pie-in-the-sky idea....but who would pay for all your lovely little extra bonus porkbarrel wars? Vote GOP Git yer War fer FREE!
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keeeemosabe @
Monday, March 31, 2008 5:20 PM
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You just keep rooting for US jobs to go overseas and out of country. That will prove so popular a viewpoint during the elections that it will sweep you to victory. I'm shuddering at the thought of the tsunami of voters who are willing to vote against their own self interest to help out our competitors and to assist fatcat CEOs who vote themselves hundred million dollar paychecks...help them ship jobs out of country. Go for it. Repeat your message long loud and clear...and be sure to call all those who don't see it your way delusional and ignorant. That's is the message they need to hear...from you and from every radio and tv station. Bring it on.
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